What Gun & What Caliber For You!

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What Gun & What Caliber For You!

Tye G. Wolfe
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I am sure that most have some sort of an idea as to what a "Mouse Gun" is. For the most part we might consider a 'Mouse Gun" in the calibers of .22Lr, .25acp, .32acp and .380acp. But when you consider that a "Mouse Gun" could be a pocket derringer you could very easily consider the .22 magnum, .32 long, .38 Special, 9mm and maybe even the wonderful .45acp.

If you were to get a "Mouse Gun" for yourself what kind of gun might it be and what caliber would you get it in?

Take care,
Tye
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Tye G. Wolfe
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You might think this is an easy question to answer but for me it actually took some time and thought. I ended up picking up a number of small pocket pistols in different calibers. Even I thought it would be easier then it ended up being.

I ended up with:

2 Jennings .22Lr semi-auto pistols
1 F.I.E. Titan .25acp semi-auto pistol
1 Reck La Fury 8 .25acp semi-auto pistol

These are the "Mouse Guns" I currently own and yet I have a feeling these will have company in the future. They have thus far proven themselves to be quite accurate for their size and fully fit the intended job they were made for.

Nuf'Fo'Now
Tye
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I'd go with the .380 in a mouse gun..... and I'd use a small Titan .25acp too.
There ya' go. I'd have my Jimenez .380 taucked into a side holster and the Titan in a pocket or ankle holster.
I miss my freak'n Titan and I could kick myself in the butt for getting rid of it. Yeah.... I don't regret getting a .45acp 1911 out of the deal, but I miss my chromed Titan. It was so freak'n small and deadly accurate. I will make sure that I find an exact copy to replace it with. I mean you could go to the beach with that thing in your shorts pocket and chill out and totally be prepared. If anybody knows where I can find a decent priced chrome Titan with black grips (made in Italy with the tiger on the side of the slide) let me know. I want to buy one (hopefully in decent shape.... mine was mint).
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Tye G. Wolfe
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I really like my little Titan. I too have found the Titan to be a very accurate little gun. It may be in a caliber that most will dispose of the idea of using it as a Self Defense weapon but there are a lot of bad guys out there that have been stopped permanently because a good guy happened to have a Mouse Gun like this one in hand when the fecal material hit the air circulating device.

My Titan may not be the best looking gun I have but because I am comfortable with it I am sure it will save my bacon if it is ever called upon. Soon I hope to have a dedicated reloading station running just to reload this minuscule caliber. Using a bullet with a proper meplate will also give an advantage to the round that a standard FMJ does not have. With this round I will be looking at penetration, penetration, penetration! And having that flat nose will only make it better. There is a reloader over in the Bryco, Jennings and Jimenez Arms forum that has been doing extensive work in using special designed projectiles that win hands down over the standard loadings. I can't wait to see the results of his testing with the .25acp.

Take care,
Tye
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I know this isn't technically a mouse gun, but it is small and pretty darn affordable and comes in a popular mouse gun caliber. Iam a big fan of Bersa. I really enjoy shooting the Bersa Thunder in .380! These small guns (not micro size) are clone-type guns of the Walther PPK. They do not disassemble the same waya PPK does nor do they share the same action components, but they are the same size and very close in look. The Bersa's I have had the pleasure to shoot have always been reliable and very accurate. In fact, Sarah, our #2 Top Gun shooter aquired 1st place Top Gun status with a Bersa Thunder (she has been dethroned by another .380 shooter).
The older model of the Thunder was the 383. It was the same overall design with  a few differences such as the 383 has a steel frame and slide and having wooden grips instead of plastic ones. The grips are not interchangable because the slide releases are also shaped differently. With the plastic grips the Thunder model is slimmer and fits most hands a little better than the wider 383 grips. There is a slight increase in felt recoil with the Thunder due to it's lighter alloy frame.
I am considering the Thunder as a smaller, lighter choice for concealed carry. One of the sponsors of our "PIMP MY GUN" contest is ThunderWear and the owner, Tom Fogarty, gave me one of his patented ThunderWear Invisible Holster's. He demonstrated to me how to wear it and also drew his gun out several times as fast as an old west gun fighter. Tom is a small framed guy with no fat on him (unlike myself) and I couldn't tell he had a gun on him. The holster has a right and left pouch so it works for both right and left handed people. One pouch for your gun and the other for a spare mag or speed loader. What is unusual about the rig is that it goes directly in the front of you. That's right, it goes over the crotch area. When your gun is placed in it, it rides just below your waistband. You slip your hand behind your waistband, reach down and grab your gun. I have some bulge all around me and I could still access my gun when I tried the ThunderWear rig out. I tried my new holster out with a taurus PT-145 and a Beretta PX4 Storm and you could not see them at all. Pulling the gun out was a little easier for than putting them back in though. The holster is made with denim and a very soft backing and the front of the holster sat close to the back when I tried to reholster causing the barrel and slide of each gun to push down on the holster. I slipped my left hand in and used my fingers to hold a gap in the pouch and the guns slid right in. Sitting down was when I could feel the gun wedging on me. I think this may have had to do with the size of the guns I tried and maybe that I had the holster rig just a little too low.
So, now that I have a new concealed carry holster to play with and fine tune, I think that I'm going to try a smalller gun with it. The Bersa is that new gun for me. I have always liked them and have enjoyed shooting them, now I'm going to give carrying one a try. I have two boxes of PMC Starfire ammunition and I'm going to load to magazines with it and stuff my crotch full of lead and hardware. Of course I'm going to go on down to the range again and do a little more concentrated fire with the .380 Bersa so I can have my brain locked on it as my carry gun. I'll post my results of this "experiment" and my experiences with both gun and holster in the "Concealed Carry" section of the forums.
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Tye G. Wolfe
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I would not really look at a Bersa a mouse gun but as a carry weapon it fits right in.

The holster you were given to test sounds like a really neat item. I am not sure I would feel comfortable with my 9mm pointing in that direction but as long as I trust the safety...(and we should never trust the safety) it just sounds like a winner. Even with your *cough* over hang it seems to fit fairly well.

I have never had the chance of shooting a current Bersa but owned one of the very early Beresa's in .22Lr. It had the strangest take down lever that was on the frame under the barrel. You pressed up on the take down lever with the slide back. Once the slide was back and lever lifted you just lifted up on the slide and let the slide move forward. Bersa then taken down. I have missed that little .22 as it was amazingly accurate. But it had to go to get something else.

Would love to see how well the Bersa .380acp shoots. That is something I have yet to really see.

Take care and Nuf'Fo'Now,
Tye
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The Bersa's shoot very well. Each one I shot has been very accurate.
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Tye G. Wolfe
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On Target LLC wrote
The Bersa's shoot very well. Each one I shot has been very accurate.
John...

I do remember that the Bersa .22Lr I had was extremely accurate. But a friend of mine that hounded me constantly finally wore me down and I sold it to him for the price I paid as I remember. I might just have to look into getting another Bersa. But if I were to get one I think I would get another .22Lr. You can never have too many .22's.

Take care,
Tye
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lordchaos
The smallest caliber I would carry is something in 9mm Luger.  That doesn't mean I don't own any mouse guns.  If I had to carry something smaller in my collection I would probably carry my Styer/Roth .32.  Its odd looking and sometimes finicky in feeding but it is fun to shoot.
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Tye G. Wolfe
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Lordchaos...

First I would like to welcome you to the forum. For now we are small but growing.

Thanks for posting the picture of your .32acp Styer Roth. I do agree that if anything was to be used as a primary carry weapon a larger caliber is necessary. But there are times when you only have what you can get. My primary carry is a Star Firestar Plus in 9mm and it is just an awesome sidearm. If your Styer Roth was more reliable with the ammo it gets fed I would not hesitate in using it. The Styer may just need the hand of a reloader and making a bullet that will reliably function the gun. But then again I bet you already know that. It may just need that one load to make it shine.

Take care,
Tye
P.S.> That royth
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Tye G. Wolfe
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Lordchaos...

First I would like to welcome you to the forum. For now we are small but growing.

Thanks for posting the picture of your .32acp Styer Roth. I do agree that if anything was to be used as a primary carry weapon a larger caliber is necessary. But there are times when you only have what you can get. My primary carry is a Star Firestar Plus in 9mm and it is just an awesome sidearm. If your Styer Roth was more reliable with the ammo it gets fed I would not hesitate in using it. The Styer may just need the hand of a reloader and making a bullet that will reliably function the gun. But then again I bet you already know that. It may just need that one load to make it shine.

Take care,
Tye
P.S.> That Styer Roth is a fine looking pistol.
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Hey Tye! I just e-mailed ya! I was worried you might not have been feeling too well. I'm glad to see ya back with us tonight. I missed ya' man!

and...... LORDCHAOS...

            Welcome aboard. I know you registered with us a while back and it's nice to see you posting here. Thanks for joining us! I love the pic of you .32!!!!! I love the look of that gun!!!
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Tye G. Wolfe
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On Target LLC wrote
Hey Tye! I just e-mailed ya! I was worried you might not have been feeling too well. I'm glad to see ya back with us tonight. I missed ya' man!

and...... LORDCHAOS...

            Welcome aboard. I know you registered with us a while back and it's nice to see you posting here. Thanks for joining us! I love the pic of you .32!!!!! I love the look of that gun!!!
John...

Yeah, I was again having some bad days. I hate feeling like I do when my pancreas flairs up. Oh well, I just have to live with it I guess.

BTW... Lordchaos is a very good friend of mine. I should let him introduce himself but I guess I can tell you that his name is John so I will be calling him Lordchaos so there is no confusion.

Take care,
Tye
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Another John? Fantastic...... ya' can't have enough of us running around. I'm glad to hear that LordChaos is a friend of yours, Tye! He is a most welcome member and we hope to have him with us for a long time to come.
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Tye G. Wolfe
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On Target LLC wrote
Another John? Fantastic...... ya' can't have enough of us running around. I'm glad to hear that LordChaos is a friend of yours, Tye! He is a most welcome member and we hope to have him with us for a long time to come.
John...

I will make sure to pass along your very kind words. He does not visit forums very much and too see that he posted a picture surprises me.

Thanks again and rest assured I will tell him the next time I talk to him on Yahoo.

Nuf'Fo'Now,
Tye
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Anyone familiar with the .32 cartridge and know of an excellent hollow point defensive round?
Tye, you have recommended this caliber to me in the mouse gun category, but what do recommend as far as premium ammo for it?
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Tye G. Wolfe
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Anyone familiar with the .32 cartridge and know of an excellent hollow point defensive round?
Tye, you have recommended this caliber to me in the mouse gun category, but what do recommend as far as premium ammo for it?
John...

Actually I am a stanch believer in penetration over expansion when it comes to certain calibers. Two of them that are in that category are the. 32acp and the. 380acp. Granted they have very good rounds that are known to properly expand but by putting the breaks on could very easily stop the projectile from reaching the vital areas before they are able to shut things down. Or in other words the bullet may not do enough internal damage quick enough.

I will say that if you really want to use a hollow point for you carry piece and your carry weapon is a. 32 I have had good luck with functioning using the Corbon types of. 32acp ammo. I have also read that the Corbon ammo has one of the better reputations for reliably expanding while giving relatively good penitration. I personally at this time carry Corbon ammo in my Kel Tec P-32. I guess that does say something. However, for the most part I will be using standard hard ball Full Metal Jacket (FMJ) in the future when I carry. FMJ is fully reliable and gives the penetration necessary if you have to shoot through multiple layers of clothing. I guess you might say there are some calibers that are weather related. In the hot weather when light clothes are the norm a hollow point has a better chance of expanding. But in colder weather when heavy clothing is worn the hollow point has a much better chance of being plugged and ending up acting like a FMJ.

There are of course two schools of thought regarding this. You have to weigh the merits of both sides. For me, because there is always the chance of a hollow point not cycling the action 100%, I take the side of the Full Metal Jacket. But that does not mean I don't have hollow points. Except for my. 380's. I only have and only carry FMJ in all of my. 380'S. I hope I have not confused you too much. And I also hope I put my point across so that you understand.

Nuf'Fo'Now
Tye
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Thanks for the info on the .32! I just checked on  my distributor's and the Jimenez's websites and neither of them lists the JA-32. The .32 has vanished from both websites. I do not know if it has been discontinued, but I just cannot believe that. I'll call the distributor tomorrow and hopefully it's all a big mix-up!
Anyway, they are still out there in other dealers hands, so I will get my hands on one no matter what. But I did dig this up on another forum. I'm quoting what one gentleman posted after testing his new LA-32 out.
CHECK THIS OUT:

"A few years back, I developed a taste for the inexpensive and purchased a pocket pistol from Jimenez Arms. I had read a bit about them on the internet, both good and bad, but once I had the little JA-25 hand I could not find anything wrong with it. You pulled the trigger and it went bang while cycling the next round into the chamber. It has continued to do that for thousands of rounds. This lead me through their compete series of centerfire semi-auto pistols.

Recently JA introduced a new model, the JA-32, chambered in 32 ACP based on the JA-380 frame. I bought it right away as I have another pistol in this caliber that I had designed a cast bullet for, special ordering molds through Lee Precision. With hunting season in full swing, I found it a bit tough to find time to actually shoot but I finally stopped everything and went and shot the first two clips of ammo (12 rounds) through the new pistol. All I can say is "thumbs up and well done Jimenez Arms!"
The target was shot at 7-yards, an appropriate distance for self defense with this caliber. The action fed and ejected rounds without a hitch from both magazines that came in the box. I did not mess with anything on the weapon other than to paint the front and rear sight. The target square is 2".


Okay.... Now I have to have one! Did you get a good look at what this guy's .32 accomplished. And who knows.... what if he's just a mediocre shot?