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Welcome all SNS and Mouse Gun Owners, Collectors and Fans

On Target LLC
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Primary Weapon and Back-Up

Hello Everyone! I've been meaning to get this forum up and running for a long time now, but never seemed to have the chance. Now's the time so here it is. I wanted to have a place here on the On Target website for all those interested in small, affordable and easy to own guns. There are a lot of things that can be done with these guns to upgrade them: both to their looks and performance. I own a JA NINE from Jimenez Arms and a Bryco Arms .25ACP. Both are good guns and we are going to start highlighting what are plans are for them and theri stages of development. I have had contact with Jimenez Arms and they are interested to see what we are going to do to them.
Please contribute to our forum here. We want tips, ideas, information, opinions and pictures. Thanks to all!
Just say NO to socialism!
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John@OT
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I wandered one day onto the Bryco-Jennings-Jimenez (I don't know if I got the order right) forums site and enjoyed myself for a while! It was a forum dedicated to affordable and small guns! Both semi-auto and revolvers were represented there. I also found (or should I say "He found me" to be more correct) Mr. Tye Wolfe.
Tye is a gun smart guy (well he seems to be a pretty smart guy in general) and understands the virtues of what most call "mouse guns" or Saturday Night Specials"!
He and I chatted back and forth on the other site's forum pages and he actually ventured over to the On Target forums section and made his presence known. I'm thankful to him for that, plus he lets me bounce my ideas around and he is none too slow with his own influences. On Target would be lucky to have him stick around and challenge us with new concepts and ideas.
Thanks Tye, for joining us in our little life raft floating in the stormy seas of the turbulent internet.

John G.
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Tye G. Wolfe
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John...

I can't thank you enough for such a kind introduction. I can say that I do have a fair understanding of firearms and know that not everyone can afford a high end weapon. If you have to depend on a less expensive weapon it is best you know what you have and how to use it. A "Mouse Gun" or "Saturday Night Special" does have its place.

I've been shooting for about 40 years and in my time I have done some low end competition which had to come to an end when I came down with rheumatoid arthritis and chronic pancreatitis. They thought I had pancreatic cancer but at least that was negative.  I just can't shoot the number of rounds I used to shoot and for the most part just shoot for pleasure. The pain tends to side line me even now, so I am not able to shoot like I want to.

I enjoy sharing what knowledge I have and welcome any questions. I may not be able to answer every question but I will do what ever I can to help out where I can. John, I just hope I can help you out in what ever rough waters you might encounter here.

Take care,
Tye
P.S. > BTW... I still haven't figured out whether I am a help or a royal pain in the ass.
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John@OT
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So far Tye, I'm going to go with "A Big Help".... or if you prefer, I consider you a muse of some sort. A reminder to consider new things. Possibly you could be a "bringer of challenge"! No matter the title we eventually settle upon your experienced brow, we shall consider you a "check" in the "helpful" column.

I'm going to be ready to announce the new contest next week I think. I'm really leaning towards calling it the "Pimp My Gun" Contest!
What do you think?
Anyone who wants to enter can submit their gun pic (just one and not every gun in their collection) and a sentence or twoabout why their gun should be pimped out. The top three will be selected and then presented to all for the participant voting to begin. To vote for your favorite gun, you would enter an idea that you'd like done to it. We'll ask that things be kept within the realm of some normalcy. I do not think "On Target" wants to foot the bill for expensive optics and accessories. Within reason, I can see me doing a lot to a gun, but if the owner wants to go with some high dollar gadgets, I'm willing to install them in the build up. Hell.... what if we try to get some sponsors willing to contribute some of their goodies to the winner. I like that idea, but I'm not to hopeful about it.

Okay... I've just opened up a new can of worms. Help me out here!
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Tye G. Wolfe
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John...

It sounds like we have our next contest. I totally agree with you about keeping things within reason when it comes to the work done and that also brings up another question.

Do you want to limit this contest to handguns, rifles or open it to all firearms?

For now I guess what I can do is help by nailing down a list of the rules to be followed. We do need to make sure everyone understands that they can submit the picture of one and only one firearm to be worked on. I can just imagine what it would be like if someone were to submit numerous guns. It would make it that much harder for you to select just from those sent by that one person. I would suggest that if there were some extreme request made about the weapon selected, you could ask the owner of the weapon to foot the cost of the item.
 
I think that if you could obtain a sponsorship that would be fantastic. You might try contacting Jimenez and explain what you are doing and request a few T-Shirts and hats to be given out to second and third place winners. I don't know how far they will take it unless the contest was limited to their products and I don't see that happening. The other sponsor that I can think of would be the company that supplies the coating material you use on the guns.

Nuf'Fo'Now
Tye
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John@OT
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Sounds fantastic Tye! I don't know if you cruised the "Win This Gun" contest post in the On Target Forums or not, but I did have a rules post for the contest that may help you in some way with listing the rules. Yes, sir.... I'm taking your offer to help with the rules. I run around with many hats to wear, I sure don't mind someone offering a helping hand, especially when I trust their opinions. Once you've got the framework, e-mail it to me and then we can massage it together.

For this contest, let's make it open to everyone and any gun. I think that would be a great net to cast in a bigger ocean. For our next contest, we'll run a Bryco, Jennings, Jimenez only contest and hopefully get Jimenez Arms to sponsor, which I really believe they will in some form or another. As it is, On Target and it's affiliate (Cajun Cryogenics) will be the sponsors so far. Anybody else would be great. The winning gun will be cryo treated as well as upgraded in the looks department.

I was thinking that we could both look into "leaking" news about the contest on other forums and websites... none too big and none too small. The more entrees we get, the greater chance of getting sponsors involved. Getting t-shirts and caps and stickers and promotional items from any company would be all bonus to give out.

If this doesn't prove your more help to me than pain and suffering.... well you can finish that statement anyway you'd like to.

Thanks Tye for all of the great ideas. I usually start with one, hear input and that combines with my original ideas or makes me go in a totally new direction, and it seems that you have become integral in the process for the contest. Well, make sure you start thinking of what we can do for a Bryco, Jennings, Jimenez only contest. I don't wanna run two at one time, but I'd like to have the plans for the next one complete so we can get it running as soon as this one ends.

C'ya!
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Tye G. Wolfe
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John...

Yes I did take the time to read through the "Win This Gun" thread and that gave me the framework for a couple of the posts I have already listed. I will go through it again to get a better grasp of what you are looking for before I send you what I come up with. I am more than willing to give you what little help I might be able to present. I know what it is to wear so many hats that you don't know which one to wear at times. I guess being a Network Administrator has done a good job of preparing me for that. Being retired is also a benefit in that it give me a little more flexibility in my schedule to help out as I can.

When you are ready just give the word and I can make the post over at BJJA ( http://bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.com/forum/index.php ) and make sure that everyone there is made aware of the contest. Unless you would like to make the listing yourself. I think you already know that the BJJA forum has some of the nicest bunch of folks you will ever encounter on the internet. It has been my pleasure to be a member there for a couple years now and I have yet to hear of a single problem within the forum. I have found listing contests in other forums can be very taxing in getting them approved. But we can give it a try in as many forums as will allow us. We have to remember that the purpose of this contest is to advertise your business and the work it does and not just be there to offer a free service!

I am sure you are right in opening the contest to all firearms will bring in a greater number of requests but I am hoping that you will not be inundated with too many pictures to go through. If you had in mind to run a contest every 6 months to a year then you might want to limit this contest to handguns where the next one as you mentioned could be for Bryco, Jennings and Jimenez Arms and possibly the next for rifles. This is just a thought as we will need to move the contest from the SNS forum to the main forum listings. Or you could possibly set up a Forum heading for the contests you will be having which I think is the best idea. Giving the contests their own Forum listings will allow us to post any information or conversations in a proper location. If someone has a question about the contest they can post it within the contest forums. That I am going to have to leave up to you.

Well, I have spouted enough for now and for sure given you enough to think about. Iit is best I see about listing the rules for the up and coming.

Take care,
Tye
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On Target LLC
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Hello Everyone! Tye and I have been trying to come up with a way to get more people to take part in our forums here on the On Target website. tye has worked very hard at posting info and pics here in the mouse gun and sns area. Muchos gracias Tye (heck, I don't know any stinking spanish.... not enough to know how to spell that crap)., you are very appreciated.
So......... how am I going to get more of you to join us here and post?... aha! I'm going to bribe you! No, I'm not above doing that. In fact I feel it's necessary. We're getting lots of visits, but no posts, replies or new threads, so that has led me to going down the forked path.
Go to the Contests and giveaways section of this forum and find out what I'm willing to bribe you all with!

GO NOW!!!!!!! HURRY!!!!!!!!!!
Just say NO to socialism!
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Tye G. Wolfe
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John...

I think this is a rocking idea. What I'd like to see is more pictures. I think we all enjoy gun porn! It's always nice to see what others have and be able to see some firearms that we would usually not see. I am sure there are those out there with weapons that others would really like to view. They could be a grand fathers old top break .32 or  that war trophy that was brought back during WWI or WWII or even those packed away in a duffel bag when someone came back from the Nam. I bet there are even a few great great grand mothers that stowed away that special weapon that was only to be handed down to her favorite great great grand son. That could be anyone and I am sure we would all love to see it.

That is one area that you might want to set up. If there was an area where we could post pictures of our guns we could share some insight as to what others have. We will have to post some type of posting instructions to make posting the pictures easy but I am sure that could be a rather hot area. I guess we could set it up to have pictures of Handguns, Rifles and Shotguns. Just a thought for now.

Take care,
Tye
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John@OT
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Make it so....Number One! Warp speed 10!!!
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Tye G. Wolfe
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John...

I'd be more then happy to set up a new forum for pictures with sub forums for each type of weapon but I do not think I have the rights to do so. I can set up the sub forums and that is no problem but if you could set up the "Picture Gallery" forum. I could then create the sub forums. We may even think about setting up forums for different types of weapons. Like Beretta's, Kimber's, Colt's, Smith & Wesson's etc etc etc. It would be great to see some of the real oldies as well. I have a soft spot for those old top break revolvers often called Suicide Specials as well. But then again I think, like you, I just like any firearm. They don't call it "Gun Porn" for nothing!

Take care,
Tye
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On Target LLC
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You mean to say I've been looking at Porn all of this time and didn't know it? Oh crap! At least my wife hasn't caught me. What would she think? She may catch me drooling over the fantastic lines of a Browning, the smooth action of a big Smith & Wesson .44 Magnum, or the pumping of a Remington 870. She's going to divorce me for sure if she finds this out! Well, not unless I get her hooked on gun porn too!

Oh smack-a-doodles, I forgot to tell you!

"I love your STAR 9mm"

I am JEALOUS! What an awesome gun!

Heck! I just drooled a little bit.
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Tye G. Wolfe
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John...

Shhhhhhh...

Not to worry. I won't say anything as long as you promise that I can post as much "Gun Porn" as I want. But you better keep an eye over your wife's shoulder in case she is doing some quick looks at the really manly guns like those Desert Eagles, S&W Model 500's and we can't leave out the Barret .50 Browning. But I usually say share and share alike and if your going to look at this kind of stuff, do it together.

I am glad you like my Star. It is one awesome little gun and damn does she have a bark. And I would not want to experience her bite. Believe me she can really reach out and touch someone as well. Having drooled over my Star I better not bring out my Browning Hi Power. My Hi Power is a convertible just as my Beretta 92 FS combo is. They both are able to shoot 9mm. .40 S&W and .357 SIG with just a barrel and slide or just a barrel change. I like guns that can shoot more then one caliber in case I am not able to find one or the other caliber. Now that is something to drool over. Pictures will be forth coming.

Take care,
Tye
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On Target LLC
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I saw the pics you put in the Gallery. NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Again........... I'm drooling.
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Re: Welcome all SNS and Mouse Gun Owners, Collectors and Fans

Tye G. Wolfe
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John...

I actually don't have pictures of my Browning. To tell you the truth i don't have pictures of a lot of my guns and we all should. For insurance purposes alone we all should have pictures of all our weapons. As soon as I get the additional pictures I need there will be an additional flood of "Gun Porn".

Nuf'Fo'Now
Tye
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On Target LLC
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Even though I don't have much time to spare, I can't help but want to take on more projects. When I see certain guns, they call to me........ "help me, pick me, you'll like the way I feel in your hand, touch me, shoot me, load me up" and so on.
In addition to the Lord and Lady guns that are about to go into the works, I have a Rhom .38 revolver and another Rhom .38 wheel gun. the latest one has actually been with me for awhile. A customer came in with it and asked if I could do anything wioth it. It was a Katrina gun and was the worst I had ever seen. I threw holy water on it when he pulled it out of the plastic bag he carried it in. After the initial shock wore off, I listened in disbelief as he asked if there was anything I could do to get the gun up and running again. HAHAhahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! No Freak'n Way!!!!!!!! I tld him to throw it away. Not because it was a SNS, but because in my opinion, there was nothing I could do to bring that piece of crap back from the dead.
Yesterday, I discovered the guns long forgotten resting place in the bowels of my shop. The customer asked me to throw it away once I told him it was a no go. We originally planned on throwing it away then I decided it would make a great trophy mounted on a plaque to be given away as a prize for our first On Target shooting competition. The shooting event has been pushed back, delayed and now in a quasi-limbo ever since then.
After digging it up yesterday, I started wondering......"should I make this gun a chalklenge to my skills?" The answer was YES! I am going to make this a personal mission to bring this dead thing back to some sort of half life that it may attain. I shall call it...."Project Zombie"........ it may be even finished by Halloween. I will also call the owner and present his long lost pieco O' crap to him as a testament to what we can deliver at On Target!
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Tye G. Wolfe
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John...

I say that anything that survived the ravages Katrina deserves a chance. I can see where there may be a number of problems but they really won't be totally known until it is cleaned up a bit. The Zamak frame has really started to corrode (no doubt from all the chemicals in the water it sat in) and that may cause a weakness in the frame but as long as the areas needing proper support are there it might once again see a working life as a shooter.I would hope the barrel is not to badly pitted or shooting any type of lead projectile will lead the bore and from what I can see of the chambers there is rust but might clean up to some degree. It's hard to tell from the pictures but does the the cylinder even rotate or is it locked up by the corrosion of the Zamak?  I am sure that there are possibilities with the RG and you might just have to buy some new springs but I would really like to see her come back to life.

Take care,
Tye
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On Target LLC
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We got into the shop early today and I pulled the RG-38 out of the special sauce I had it soaking in and started to work her over. Not only have I freed the cylinder, I have got it open and rotating and ejecting. Plus I freed the hammer and the trigger and the damn thing fires. The cylinder lock was the most stubborn, but it too bent to my will. I have tons of experience since I have worked on Katrina gun....well.....since Katrina.
Most of the springs are intact and doing their jobs. The only spring that is shot, is the "hand" spring. It pushes the hand forward so it will push up against the cylinder to rotate it. If you point the gun in a downwards direction, the gun works fine. Point it slightly up and the hand falls back and the cylinder stops turning. The firing pin moves just as good as a new gun. I put my finger over the hole and pulled the trigger while holding the cylinder release in the closed position and the dang thing poked the heck out of my finger.
With just a quick pass through the barrel a couple of times, the barrel looks far better than what you would have expected it to. I think after a better cleaning I'll be able to make up my mind as to if it needs to be replaced or not. Believe it or not, the frame is not as bad as the pictures would lead you to believe. Of course if this gun were to be ever fired, it would get the cryo treatment first to help strengthen it up.
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Kevin D.
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if you can bring that gun back from life you really are a damn magician. it looks pretty far gone!
 ‎"its not the caliber, and its not the gun. its how well you perform, that completes the task at hand
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Tye G. Wolfe
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John...

It's great to know you got things freed up with as little work as you had to put into it. But that I figured in that the gun is basically made of that wonderful substance Zamak. Can you imagine what the internals would be like if everything was steel. I would imagine it would have taken a bit more to get things going again. I am really amazed that the firing pin spring was able to retain its spring because if I remember correctly the spring is a very small thin coil spring that should have rusted away in all that caustic water that the gun sat in and then allowed to have the gun sit in the condition it is in. I honestly think an all steel gun would be in much worse condition. This will really be a test of all your skills and will put the Cryo process to a real test. Please take pictures of this project as it will really be something to show. I agree that the Cryo process should be done to this piece especially. And if it were to be fired you do it first with mild reloads and work your way up to higher power cartridges. These guns are not rated of +P loads anyway so I wold keep it kind of mild until you feel comfortable with it.

The resurrection begins. There ya go... that's what you should call it... "The Resurrection". If you do get it back into shooting condition and you get it back to the original owner I am sure he would enjoy taking possession of "The Resurrection".

Take care,
Tye
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