Here is your chance to post for others to see those firearms considered "Mouse Guns".
A mouse gun is not necessarily a handgun that can be labeled a Saturday Night Special, but in general the majority of Saturday Night Specials can be labeled a "Mouse Gun". This is a chance to show off the beautiful Baby Browning, Colt Junior, Beretta 21 and yes your Jennings J-22, Lorcin and any number of vest pocket pistols including derringers. There are many out there that own these weapons but seem to think it is actually beneath a proper gun owner to not allow others know that they might have one lurking in their safe. And yet on those more private outings the mouse gun is brought out to just have some plinking fun.
There are far to many Gun Snobs that will take any step they can to degrade another that might even think of owning a mouse gun thinking that the only caliber to carry is a major caliber like a .40 S&W, .45 acp or a .50 Desert Eagle. These are the one's that do not know the enjoyment of just taking the time out and seeing how well you really can shoot by trying to manage a palm sized weapon and make it print a nice tight group. I know it can be done as I have done it with targets to prove.
Anyway, enough of the words and onto the mouse gun porn.
This Jennings I have owned since the mid 1970's. Because my friends harassed me to no end telling me that gun would blow up in my face before I shot 50 rounds, that it would automatically take down while firing it, that it has no accuracy and in general is a piece of s***. Because of this continued barrage of comments I decided to keep a running record of how many rounds I fired, where and when I fired them as well. After nearly 30 years and over 14,662 rounds I finally noticed there was a small crack in the slide so I ended my endurance test at that point. I felt there was no need to continue shooting with that slide and purchased a new slide on Gun Broker and she is shooting once again. Not only did my Jennings fire over 14,662 rounds but more than once I proved it's worth by out shooting many of my friends with far more expensive weapons. I say over 14,662 because I had fired a number of rounds before I started to keep count. I cannot see my armory without one of these pistols. They are just plain fun to shoot.
Thanks Tye for this wonderful thread. How do you like the ease of posting pics here in my forum? It's not bad at all! I just loved the pics of your Fury, Titan and J22. They would be my top three to vote on for the new contest. I really could work miracles on your Titan and get the rust damage fixed up nice enough for a new finish! It's guns like that that I enjoy to work on.... the diamonds in the rough. I see beauty first always.... I see what the gun looks like when I'm finished before I even strip the old finish off. I have a soft spot for Titans. I had a chromed Italian Titan .25acp with an external hammer and full-swing safety switch plus a Beretta type open slide. It was the prettiest little (smallest gun ever) thing, but the most amazing thing about it was its unbelievable degree of accuracy. Me and my old helper, Jerry were working the gunshow and I picked it up from another dealer for $80. The price was a little high, but something about the mini Beretta clone had me hooked. Jerry and I took it to the range and were amazed at the lightning fast gun and more stunned by how accurate it was even out to 20 feet and 25 feet. Bullseyes and headshots were done with uncanny ease. That same day, I stopped at my parents house for a visit and their neighbor asked if I had any small caliber pistols for sale. I showed him the Titan and he loved it too. He went into his house and returned with a new .357 revolver that he had and wanted to straight up trade. He complained that the .357 was too big and heavy for his elderly hands and would be happy to have the little .25acp. So I handed it over and took my new .357 inside my parents house. My father saw the .357 and asked if I'd trade the .357 for a new Springfield Armory 1911 he had bought. So I made another trade and left my dad's house with a new .45acp. I then customed it into the reptile skin 1911 you see in our photo gallery. Oh.... I know this is backtracking a bit, but the reason I wound up buying the Titan in the first place was because I sold our .25acp Lorcin with the pink digital camo and skull artwork for $175. I took the money and looked for a replacement.... I just didn't know what a journey selling the Lorcin would take me on and that it was worth enough to get me a new 1911. Go mouse guns!
Here's the new Jennings J22 I picked up recently. I'm thinking of tricking it and my Bryco .25acp as a his and her pair. tye has suggested I go the "Lord and Lady" route.... I like that idea, but if I do a lord and lady, I'm going to fancy them up good enough for royal court!
It was my pleasure to start the thread with hopes of getting others to join in. I have to admit that posting pictures here is a rather easy process and it starts by having a place to upload your pictures first. I use Photobucket in that it is very easy to use and also gives you the proper syntax for posting pictures already created for you. It's just a matter of copying the right link into the message box.
I too have a soft spot for the Titan. You are absolutely correct when you state that it is like a miniature Beretta and carries the accuracy with it. I have found that making bullseye shots are very easy and all my shooting is at 7 yards when I go to the range. The only draw back I see with the Titan is in trying to get a lighter trigger pull. But with a mouse gun like this to light if a trigger pull is not wanted. I especially like the exposed hammer for there is no question as to whether the weapon is ready to fire or not. Your story of going from an $80.00 Titan to a Springfield Armory 1911 though could only happen in my dreams. But I would say if the same thing happened to me I would also be driving home with the 1911 as well.
My Titan is as it was when I got it off GunBroker. The total price after shipping and transfer was $95.00. I am not sure what caused the damage to the slide but it appears that some type of caustic liquid was spilled on it. What ever it was it does not take away any of the accuracy that seems to be natural in a weapon of this style. I guess you can't go wrong in copying a Beretta. I guess I can always use the pictures of my Titan in the coming contest but for now I would like to see what goes with the Lord and Lady set your doing and I'm still waiting for those pictures of the customers Arminius .22 that you have been working on. I am sure what you do to his Arminius will give me ideas as to what I may want to do to my Arminius HW-5T. It is the target version with adjustable sights and has already proven to be very accurate with the right ammo.
Hopefully we can entice more interest in the Mouse Gun Forums and get others to post their pictures as well.
If you are going to trick out the Bryco and Jennings good enough to be placed before Royalty then it looks like you are going to be pulling out all the stops. Time to open all the doors and let the wind blow through and turn these into two world class "Mouse Guns". As I mentioned in another post one thing I had wanted to do to my own Jennings was to put S&W small revolver fully adjustable sights on mine. I never had the time or money to do it to mine and this would really take the Bryco and Jennings to new levels. At one time Jimenez had thought of producing a .22Lr target version of their "LC" class model which would have adjustable sights on it. The "LC" class frame is the one Jimenez uses on their heavy frame JA LC-380 and the JA9. Both of these models have adjustable sights. This would be a chance to take a step ahead of the manufacturer on their small frame. Just a thought.
P.S. > I really do need to keep my ideas to myself. I make it hard enough on John as it is.
Not to worry I thoroughly accept compromise. Gemstones it is! I would really like to see what these little mouse guns can do with some proper sights. They do fairly well with the stock sights but with some good adjustable sights and the right hand I bet they could really shine.
I promise that i will do my best not to go overboard and try to push the "tacky" factor with these two guns. I'm shooting for classy and tasteful. You have suggested that I go with the small S&W sights. Is this because you find them to be the only ones small enough? Have you researched this in the past, or is this just your educated guess? I would like to start trying to find the sights that I'm going to install and if this is the best ones for the job, I dion't have to look at fifty thousand different kinds, I could just go straight to the S&W's.
Actually I have had to rethink my idea of adding the S&W rear sights. I have a S&W rear sight that had been mounted on a Sterling Model 302 .22Lr and had to locate it to see how it would work. I am afraid that if we tried to use them on the Zamak slide of the Jennings or Bryco it would reduce the integrity of the slide due to the firing pin channel right below. I had looked at this some time ago and thought that it might work. Now that I put things side by side and use my micrometer to measure, it just won't work. To mill off the small raised rib along the slide to mount the S&W rear sight would more then likely cause slide failure and that is not what I am looking for. Right now I just don't know of a set of adjustable sights that would be small enough to use in a manner that would be beneficial. I guess we will have to either work with the standard sights or possibly look at a set of small three dot sights if a set could be found.
Sorry for throwing a monkey wrench into the gear works. I will continue looking for sights that might work but for now I think the stock sights will have to do.
Fantastic work Tye! I knew I could count on you to investigate. I have no problems with working with the stock sights, but I may dig around a little on my own. I love doing Frankenstein work.... hmmmmmm!!!!!
With Halloween right around the corner, you better watch out with the kinds of thoughts that might come from my gray matter. I just hope any thoughts that might get through are even worth a glance. Although I can imagine a bone structure design that gives you an almost 3D design using the slide and the grip as a joint of a kind.
Bwuuuhhhaaaaaaaaa!!!!!....... Yes, Igor, you have given me a new idea for a whole new creation for me to bring to life. At the shop, I used to have an old AK that we tried out new colors and techniques on. We lovingly called it Frankenstein. Well, now I'm thinking that a Frankenstein gun might be a good idea. I'm talking purple, green and black. Put some custom graphics and lettering on it. Spoooooky........ I have goosebumps!
That is good master.... very good. hee hee heehee hee
Sounds like excellent colors for a Frankenstein type monster made out of an AK. I can certainly picture the custom graphics that might be applied. A skeletal graphic showing just how scary an AK really can be. Goosebumps??? Absolutely.
I'm going to have to call up Jimenez Arms and ask what the status of my JA NINE is. I mailed it off almost three weeks ago. the last time I sent it, it was back in a week. I'm getting antsy over the wait. I've got serious testing to do and my patience is wearing down. AAAAuauauauauauauauauugggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
I want to run it through a couple of test shoots and then it's off to cryo, then comes the custom tweaking and touches, plus a new skin and color. Then she goes back to the grinding task of ......gasp.....more torture tests.
I can't wait to log this one for all of the mouse gun fans out there and the JA NINE fans to be more direct. I want to make this thing be all that it can be. HHHHhhhhhhuuuuurrrrryyyyyyyyy up and get it back Jimenez!
This pic is when I first got it in.....brand new and full of potential!
I wonder if they are waiting for their next shipment of barrels to come in. They may have had enough complaints about the barrels in the initial shipment that they have gone with a different supplier and will be installing one of those barrels. It may take another call to Greg to find out exactly what the status is. From what I have heard he is quite willing to help out when ever he can.
I have to applaud Jimenez Arms as it seems they are actually trying to satisfy their clients as well as Hi Point is. And I think we all know how good customer service is at Hi Point. Give Greg a call and see if he can get something going in getting your JANine back to you. That is another gun that has peaked my interest in that it is actually a very affordable firearm in a workable caliber that does not look like it was designed by brick manufacturers. I have to admit that is my only ill feeling about Hi Points. I know they work. I have fired them. I know they are strong. They feel like you holding a small Japanese car in your hand when you hold them. But the really look like bricks with handles that shoot bullets. Just my opinion.
The JA NINE and the High Point are as different as night and day, I agree. But, the JA 9mm isn't a slim and sexy waif either. When most people hold them, the 1st thing they comment on is the heavy weight. It's a good thing that the mass is THERE to help with recoil and muzzle climb. The weight is only a factor for mostly women who demand a Lite-gun!
"It's a gun people, not a diet drink!"
I will say that the Jimenez guns are a lot nicer looking than the turtle-top High Points. I can't wait to get mine back and show you all the potential of what this gun could be and look like.