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Saturday Night Specials -- Give Us Your Thoughts

Tye G. Wolfe
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We have a place to share the pictures of the "Mouse Gun" or "Saturday Night Special" you might own. Here we are asking for your thoughts and ideas about these same weapons. We know they are not made of the best materials but here is your chance to sound off with how you think and feel about these weapons. Both John and myself would truly like to hear your comments and talk about those same thoughts and idea's.

Nuf'Fo'Now
Tye
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Tye G. Wolfe
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Let me start out by saying I used to think that those guns called "Saturday Night Specials" really had no reason for being. Sure I had heard the stories about these types of guns blowing up in your hand before you fired 50 rounds and that they had no accuracy what so ever but then I bought a Jennings J-22 and that changed all my thoughts. Of course like all .22's it took a long time to come up with the ammo that cycled the action reliably and even longer to find the ammo that was not only reliable but also accurate. But once I found it I started out shooting my friends with far more expensive firearms and my friends continued to tell me that my Jennings would blow up. I started to keep count of the number of rounds I fired, the type ammo and where I shot them. After 14,662 rounds through my Jennings J-22 I found a crack in the slide and I had to stop my endurance test. None of my friends could say they had put even half as many rounds through their guns as I did and with the purchase of a used slide my Jennings J-22 is back up and running. I have targets where my Jennings shot groups as small as 1/2 inch and my newer Jennings helped me win the Postal Match with a group size of 1.01 inch at 7 yards. I think that is pretty good for a gun with a 2 inch barrel shooting standing free hand. I know that I may have just run across the two most accurate Jennings ever made but I seem to have my doubts about that. I would truly like to hear about your experiences good or bad or even what you have been told so that we can share what we know about this subject.

Take care,
Tye

Target shot 11-16-2009 Jennings J-22 before rebuild. 5 shots -- 7 yards Standing off hand



Target shot 07-16-2010 New Jennings J-22. 5 shots -- 7 yards Standing off hand.



Target shot 07-16-2010 Arminius HW-5T. 5 shots -- 25 yards standing off hand


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Great shooting Tye! We need to get that Range Reports section up so you can post these bad boys and others for all to see and encourage others to go out and practice so they can beat your score.... hahahaaaa........ I don't think that's gonna happen because not too many people are brave enough to try those shots with the guns you did and doing it offhand! You are like insanely good! Congrats!
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Tye G. Wolfe
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John...

It would be great to see and get more range reports. I really enjoy seeing the targets of others. And they don't have to be single ragged holes but just the honest effort behind a good shooter.

Sometimes I amaze myself. I was really having a good day those days. Believe me I have more bad days then good. Ever since i had surgery in 2004 I have had a condition called chronic pancreatitis. It causes extreme pain and the pain medicine I take makes it very difficult for me to shoot. I refuse to shoot if I have to be on the pain meds as I do not like the idea of me being on drugs and shooting. I even try to not drive when on them either. The meds also will give me the shakes at times and I could not shoot straight if I had too. When I do go shooting I do my best to plan it so that I am off the meds for a day or two if I can do it. As I mentioned  I did some light competition many many many years ago and I have to say I was alright on the firing line. I was not the best but I did the best I could. Hopefully in time I can be as good as I used to be.

Take care,
Tye
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Kevin D.
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Tye that is some fine shooting, my offhand shots from a few weeks ago were horrible, just ask John. but you my friend, that is some damn fine shooting up there you got!!
 ‎"its not the caliber, and its not the gun. its how well you perform, that completes the task at hand
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Tye G. Wolfe
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Kevin...

Thanks for the compliments on my shooting. I have my good days and I have my bad days. Believe me lately I have far more bad days then good. I seem to be able to tell how the day is going to go right from the start and with all that has happened in the last few years my shooting has actually deteriorated. I remember being able to take my S&W Model 41 and shoot 12 gauge shotgun hulls out to 50 yards with boring regularity. It almost seemed not worth the effort but now I have my problems hitting them at 25 yards. Being 53 years old and after the damn heart problems and the pancreatitis shooting has almost become a chore and it should never be like that. Shooting is an enjoyable pastime to have and to share with others. One thing I have said for most of my life is that "when play becomes work you need to find something else to play". I truly hate to think I might ever give up shooting. For now it is still very much an enjoyable pastime. But it is becoming increasingly hard for me to enjoy. I hope it never totally stops being fun to do!

Take care,
Tye
P.S. > Kevin... It would be great to get your ideas about Saturday Night Specials. That's really what this area is all about and I actually wanted to show just how accurate a gun others might call trash can really be. I'd like to get others views on this type of weapon. That includes John, David, you and anyone else who wanders by.
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Sorry to hear about the health issues Tye. I hope that you find relief soon and get better. With the way you shoot, it'd be like a master artist being denied the right to do which he loves.

I am seeting up the range reports forum section tonight...... now you can post some NEW targets after you get to the range.

I went to the range today and I tested out a $35 Rohm that I just got back from cryo. It shot very smooth. It is a .38 special and the trigger had a nice feel to it and the gun was easy to control. I do not have a pic  of the targets to share, but the Rhom kicked the S&W Rossi clone's butt.
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Tye G. Wolfe
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On Target LLC wrote
Sorry to hear about the health issues Tye. I hope that you find relief soon and get better. With the way you shoot, it'd be like a master artist being denied the right to do which he loves.

I am seeting up the range reports forum section tonight...... now you can post some NEW targets after you get to the range.

I went to the range today and I tested out a $35 Rohm that I just got back from cryo. It shot very smooth. It is a .38 special and the trigger had a nice feel to it and the gun was easy to control. I do not have a pic  of the targets to share, but the Rhom kicked the S&W Rossi clone's butt.
John...

Thanks for setting up the Range Reports section. Now to have range targets and reports listed. We need to make sure that targets are truly welcomed but a range report about the type of gun, ammo, distance and generally how the weapon functioned is what we are looking for.

I have been dealing with my health issues since 2004 when they did an exploratory surgery to find out if I had Pancreatic Cancer. I was happy to find out that I did not have cancer because Pancreatic Cancer is a death sentence. From what they told me there was "about a 4% survival rate". I actually had hoped that things would go well after the surgery but the one surgery ended up being three and during the second surgery I was told by the nurses that they lost me for about 3 minutes. That was about three minutes where I had no life signs. I recovered from that only to end up having Chronic Pancreatitis that they are saying I will probably have for the rest of my life. I just do what I can as I can and hope things will get better in the future.

As for being a master artist with my shooting..... WOW! That is something I have never been compared to and I thank you dearly for that analogy. All I really can say is that my shooting has come from many years of practice, training and helping others with their shooting. You'd be amazed at how much you can learn about your own shooting by helping others with their shooting. I truly enjoy helping others with their shooting.

I would really like to see the results of the Cryo process on the RG-38 and would have liked to see before and after targets using the same ammo, same distance. That would really open eyes to see just what they might expect in their own weapons. I absolutely know what a Rossi is and it is not a bad gun in its own right. And if the lowly RG was able to kick its butt after the Cryo I really would have liked to see what it could do before the Cryo process. Time for many tests to prove just what the Cryo process can do.

Take care,
Tye
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Kevin D.
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Tye G. Wolfe wrote
P.S. > Kevin... It would be great to get your ideas about Saturday Night Specials. That's really what this area is all about and I actually wanted to show just how accurate a gun others might call trash can really be. I'd like to get others views on this type of weapon. That includes John, David, you and anyone else who wanders by.

um......well actually im learning from you guys on these little guns. From what i can see though, they can actually be pretty reliable and serve there purpose just as a full size semi auto, shotgun, or rifle would. I guess it all boils down to each gun has a purpose and depending on the user will depend on that purpose. You may find some people that are 1 dimensional and only use one type of gun or you will find someone like yourself of John that is comfortable using just about any gun.
 ‎"its not the caliber, and its not the gun. its how well you perform, that completes the task at hand
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Tye G. Wolfe
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Kevin...

Thank you for your reply. I will promise you that I will try and do all I can to give you the information about these guns called Saturday Night Specials without trying to cover up the problems as well as the highlights of what these guns have to offer. Not all so called "Saturday Night Specials" are worthy  of that name yet in almost all instances a "Saturday Night Special" has a true purpose in the shooting fraternity.

Take care,
Tye
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On Target LLC
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Mouse Guns and Saturday Night Specials!!!

The small and affordable guns we find on the market today come in many different calibers, makes and models. There are thousands and thousands of these guns both new and used in every corner of the United States. Go to a gun show.... they are there both new and used. Go to a gun store and there they are both new and used. Go online and shop around, they are all over the place both new and used. Let's face it everyone..... these things are a part of the gun culture and they are not going anywhere. They are the rock and roll of the gun world.... you can't kill it.
Gun snobs have of course tried their best to compalin and whine about the cheaper side of the gun counter. I guess they feel that the supremacy of their SIG or H&K is challenged by such unworthy contestants. But that is the very thing that SNS's are not trying to do. They are in a league of their own just like S&W, Glock, Walther, Colt, Kimber, Nighthawk and other such heavy hitters. Not everyone can afford top dollar guns, so some manufacturers decided to make affordable guns that anyone could afford and have the personal ability to defend themselves.
If you can afford high end guns....good for you. I like them very much myself and enjoy shooting them, but unless I win the lottery, I won't be buying one anytime soon. People that look down on small cheaper priced guns tell others that "you get what you pay for" and I agree. No matter how expensive a gun is or how affordable another may be, they are both designed by professional gun designers and engineers and they all SHOOT BULLETS and that is the part that can save lives.  A gun is a gun is a gun. It is the end result that counts and if a mouse gun saves a life it did so no matter what affordable price the owner paid for it..... the gun becomes "priceless"!

The commercials would go:
 
Night out with your spouse before a mugger attacks - $125
High-end pistol that you are carrying concealed - $1550
Stopping the attacker before he kills - PRICELESS


OR:

Night out with your spouse before a mugger attacks - $25 (Saturday Night special owner may take his lady to Burger Joint)
Affordable SNS pistol that you are carrying concealed - $125
Stopping the attacker before he kills - PRICELESS

No matter what you carry or how much it costs, the end result is all that matters.

Viva Los Mouse Guns!




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Tye G. Wolfe
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Now we are getting to the true meat and reality for the reason behind having a Saturday Night Special as an accessible firearm to all. As I have mentioned not everyone has the ability to put out hundreds of dollars for a firearm and yet may need the protection in a time where saving additional monies is just not an option. The Saturday Night Special of today is of much better quality then those of long long ago but even the older SNS's have been found to be quite accurate and durable for the weapon they are. The Saturday Night Special does have a proper place in the gun industry and if more "Gun Snobs" actually took the time to own and fire them I am sure they will actually find this to be true. It takes time to really know what the "Mouse Gun" can do as with most being of the .22Lr variety, the proper ammo needs to be found. Take the time. See how much fun they actually can be.

Nuf'Fo'Now
Tye
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Kevin D.
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see Tye now you've gotten my attention. you said to try different ammo and find out which works best. so now ive got a reason to possibly purchase another gun!! lol, but i may have to blame this one on you. even if you are 1200 some odd miles from here!!
 ‎"its not the caliber, and its not the gun. its how well you perform, that completes the task at hand
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Tye G. Wolfe
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Kevin D. wrote
see Tye now you've gotten my attention. you said to try different ammo and find out which works best. so now ive got a reason to possibly purchase another gun!! lol, but i may have to blame this one on you. even if you are 1200 some odd miles from here!!
Kevin...

Not to worry, I'll be more than happy to take the heat. If John will let you try the little Jennings J-22 out I think you will honestly be amazed at how it works. The Jimenez JA-22 is just an updated version of the same gun. For the most part we have found that CCI Mini Mags are the ammo to use as break in and general function as they have the proper power to bullet weight ratio that makes these little mouse guns work. But they are not the only ammo that will work in them or may be the most accurate. I found that after breaking my Jennings in they would work OK with a number of different brands of ammo. But they by far were not perfect. It took some time and practice to find the best ammo that combined function with accuracy. Once you find the brand of ammo that combines all this you will finally understand just how neat these little guns truly can be. Make sure John packs the Jennings along when you make your next range trip. Also a large mix of .22Lr ammo.

Nuf'Fo'Now
Tye
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Kevin is supposed to come down this coming Friday for a little fun at the range. I just won't have the Jennings with me I think. It'll probably still be up in cryo town. If it comes back by then I'll bring for both of us to shoot it. I have a feeling that if it does come it'll be taking a back seat to some of the bigger guns.... little mouse guns are usually the last ones to get a turn to dance. All the big guns and expensive ammo gets blown away first then you turn to the .22 mouse gun and have it put out like a cheap date. They are always fun when they are the last ones you have ammo for.... lots of cheap ammo. I actually managed to hold on to some .308 ammo for Kevin to shoot.

It'll be like this:

"Here Kevin, I have one mag with 5 rounds of standard .308" then "Here Kevin, this mag has 5 shots of hot stuff!"

Then I'll say "Here's the Jennings .22 and 500 rounds.... go have fun with this because ya getting anymore .308's!"

HAHAHAHAhAhahahaaaahahahahaahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
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Tye G. Wolfe
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On Target LLC wrote
Kevin is supposed to come down this coming Friday for a little fun at the range. I just won't have the Jennings with me I think. It'll probably still be up in cryo town. If it comes back by then I'll bring for both of us to shoot it. I have a feeling that if it does come it'll be taking a back seat to some of the bigger guns.... little mouse guns are usually the last ones to get a turn to dance. All the big guns and expensive ammo gets blown away first then you turn to the .22 mouse gun and have it put out like a cheap date. They are always fun when they are the last ones you have ammo for.... lots of cheap ammo. I actually managed to hold on to some .308 ammo for Kevin to shoot.

It'll be like this:

"Here Kevin, I have one mag with 5 rounds of standard .308" then "Here Kevin, this mag has 5 shots of hot stuff!"

Then I'll say "Here's the Jennings .22 and 500 rounds.... go have fun with this because ya getting anymore .308's!"

HAHAHAHAhAhahahaaaahahahahaahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
John...

You are bad... you are just plain "BAD".

Now remember after shooting all that high power stuff tends to give one a bit of a yank on the trigger instead of a nice sweet push on the trigger. And besides, it's often the wall flower that tends to dance best and gives out the most.  I am sure that you all will end up having a "blast" at the range and I really do wish I could come along. Even as a fly on the wall. But then again the way you shoot no self respecting fly would be safe. You seem to enjoy those small targets and do all to well at hitting them.

I can't wait for the range report because I am sure it will come back with much exciting news. That and because I was not able to find enough time with my friend from Utah, I was not able to take him shooting. We had planed on a day of shooting but sight seeing in Washington DC (Dodge City) seemed to catch his eye. I couldn't blame him as he has cancer and he is trying to see as much as he can, while he can. If time and the good Lord allows us another day then I am sure we will see about taking him out shooting.

Please remember us po'folk what ain't able to go shooting and share some pictures of your time together. It is great to go shooting with friends. When I do get a chance to get out for some range time, I'll be sure to take some pictures. Maybe even a movie if I can squeeze it in.

Take care and good shooting,
Tye
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On Target LLC
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Sorry to hear that you missed your range time with your friend. I'm also sorry to hear about his condition. You both will be in our prayers and we wish you both the best of get well wishes.

I'm sure that no small animals will be harmed when Kevin and I get to the range. Well...... let's just hope no bunnies decide to cross the range downfield!!!!!!!
We will take many pictures and even more videos. Just so ya' know..... we do have more videos to prep and unload from my last two shooting trips. I'll try and get them up in the extras section soon.
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Tye G. Wolfe
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John...

Thank you very much for the kind thoughts. I will make sure to remember to pass this along. Ivan has been fighting cancer for a long time and on more than one occasion he was told he would not make it but he has a strength that will not allow it. I have been blessed to have met Ivan and known him for the last 4 years. We have already agreed to a return visit and will make sure his second trip includes a trip to the range.

As to not harming any small animals... Just remember the older ones tend to have tougher meat. A nice young rabbit would grace a plate nicely fried and taste heavenly.

I am sure you have a number of pictures and extra films and will await their posting with baited breath.

Take care,
Tye
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I'm thinking of running a little experiment! Trying a new gun and a new holster for concealment. This would be carrying a true mouse gun and new type holster. I'm thinking of getting a new Jiminez Arms (or it could be used if I ran into the right gun) and carrying it out and about (concealed) in the new ThunderWear Invisible Holster I got from ThunderWear themselves.
I want to do an evaluation over a one week period, reporting on the gun and holsters comfort. Of course there will be range reports given too after trips to the range.
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Tye G. Wolfe
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John@OT wrote
I'm thinking of running a little experiment! Trying a new gun and a new holster for concealment. This would be carrying a true mouse gun and new type holster. I'm thinking of getting a new Jiminez Arms (or it could be used if I ran into the right gun) and carrying it out and about (concealed) in the new ThunderWear Invisible Holster I got from ThunderWear themselves.
I want to do an evaluation over a one week period, reporting on the gun and holsters comfort. Of course there will be range reports given too after trips to the range.
John...

It sounds like a test I would love to hear about and its outcome. I do remember you telling me about a new holster that places the pistol about mid-line. Is it this holster you will be testing? It does sound like an interesting holster and I can't wait to hear how it works.

Take care,
Tye
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