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On Target Range Trips

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This is a long running thread of posts that we will continue posting pics and info of our shooting trips...ENJOY!

On Monday 9/13 Kevin LeBlanc and I (John Gauthier) went down to St. Bernard Parish for a shooting trip at the range. We were mainly testing out guns for "work" purposes, but still managed to squeeze off some rounds that were just for fun.

Guns used:
Federal Arms H&K 91 - .308 cal.
Majestic Arms MAC 10 - .45ACP
Beretta PX4 Storm - 9mm
Rossi Snub-Nosed revolver - .38 Special
Rohm RG38 Snub-Nosed revolver - .38 Special

We didn't take any pics of targets, but we weren't bullseye hunting to begin with. We just blasted away while trying to hit as best we could. I did not make a list of ammo used this time, which we will try to do the next time we enter a range report of our time at the range.

*PLEASE SEND IN YOUR OWN RANGE REPORTS*

*POST THEM In "THE RANGE REPORT" under a new post*
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Re: 9/13/2010 - On Target Range Trip

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you dirty skunk!! you got the mac 10 back from cryo?!? damn, if only i lived closer to the shop, you'd have to put a cot back there for me to crash on, id be likely to never leave!! im getting ready for the next weekend range trip, and so is will. i think he may bring the mosin and just use the iron sights just so he can finally shoot the damn thing!!
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Re: 9/13/2010 - On Target Range Trip

Tye G. Wolfe
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Kevin...

There ya go leaving me out of all the fun again. Just because I live some 1200 miles (your count) does not mean that I should be left out. Besides, we need pictures of all said weapons posted in the Pictures Forum. WE NEED MORE GUN PORN.

One other thing.... The cot has already been claimed. Bye me! You will just have to find another place to stay.

Take care,
Tye
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The Mac 10 is going to be coated next. I'm going with a two tone black.
Add on's coming next:
after market buffer system
7 1/2 inch barrel extension with cooling shroud
holographic sight system
tactical sling
aluminum carry case

All in all, this should turn out to be a Mack of Mac's!!! We'll put pictures in the Gallery of Guns forum area.
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Tye G. Wolfe
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On Target LLC wrote
The Mac 10 is going to be coated next. I'm going with a two tone black.
Add on's coming next:
after market buffer system
7 1/2 inch barrel extension with cooling shroud
holographic sight system
tactical sling
aluminum carry case

All in all, this should turn out to be a Mack of Mac's!!! We'll put pictures in the Gallery of Guns forum area.
 
This is one I am going to love to see. I have always liked the Mac but never got one because of the over all feel. I really don't like comparing a Mac with a Hi Point but the basics of the two go hand in hand. The Mac is this heavy monster that just hangs out there in front of you if you use one hand but is built in a way where a two hand hold is not to hard to do or you can use the strap for stability. The Hi Point also hangs out there and a two hand hold is almost a necessity for good accurate shooting. I am sure there are those out there that can hold either weapon in one hand unsupported but this good 'ol boy can't do it with either.

Regardless both are fun to shoot and great to own.

Take care,
Tye
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Re: 9/13/2010 - On Target Range Trip

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3gun, 3gun, mac 10 ,colt  AR15,Ak 47.  haha
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9/23/2010 Shooting Trip - On Target at the Range!

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Mr. Cliff (Pokey) and I took Kevin (my helper) and Chuck (customer, student and friend) to the range we belong to for some shooting fun and work. Yes, work. We had to set up the chronograph and take some readings on some new ammo stuff that we are researching and developing. Ohhhhh...... the torture! It's a dirty job, but someboday has to do it.
We did have a casualty on the range today. A weird looking bird and his friends wandered around the range while we were shooting. The strange bird walked behind the target while I was doing my chrono shooting and popped him a good when he walked into the bullets path. His lifless body took a few more rounds before a cease fire was called for target changes. I picked him up and we examined the damage before tossing the dead bird into the dumpster. His buddies were the smart ones. They all stayed to the sides of the range and didn't wander into the "flight zone"!
We all had a great time and actually got some work done too!


Pokey manning the battle station!


Chuck shooting his sporterized Mosin Nagant M91.


Pokey schooling Kevin on the 6.5mm JAP rifle.

I do hav more pics for this shhot but I'll have to finish up tomorrow.
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Re: 9/23/2010 Shooting Trip - On Target at the Range!

Tye G. Wolfe
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John...

It looks like a good time was had by all. Except for the bird that was looking for suicide by range practice.

From the look of the rather large ragged hole in the center mass area of the first target I would say that the guns you were firing were not far off in their point of impact with the "ahem" new ammo that just had to be tested. I guess we are going to have to wait to see the chronograph pictures and the results of your firing. You never did give us a heads up as to the type of ammo you were testing. I bet it was some of that stuff that is handed out during parties consisting mostly of Black Op's  operatives and can't really be talked about. But that does not mean you can't share with friends.

Actually it would be great to hear how the guns you were firing and the ammo tested did. I see that there are more pictures to come so I guess we will just have to wait. Would definitely like to see it before I retire. Which is soon I hope.

Take care,
Tye
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Re: 9/23/2010 Shooting Trip - On Target at the Range!

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This is PART TWO of our range day!

I love big black guns!

Kevin's turn to shoot the Mauser actioned 45-70 with hot loads.

Shooting my new Beretta PX4 Storm

Kevin's 1st time behind the wheel of my new .308!

My first shot group with the new .308 at fifty yards with the iron sights.

Kevin's shot group with a 6.5 mm JAP rifle that had a scope and was sporterized by Pokey.

My 100 yard shot grouping with iron sights on a 7.5mm SWISS WWll Rifle
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Re: 9/23/2010 Shooting Trip - On Target at the Range!

Tye G. Wolfe
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John...

For service grade weapons those groups are not bad. I am really impressed with the Japanese Arisaka. I always knew the 6.5 was a pretty accurate round but out of a service type rifle that is pretty good. I would have expected a bit more out of the FA-91 but with iron sights that you are not used to using and the distance a 4 inch group really is not to bad. I would expect better after the Cryo and little extras you plan on using with her. It would be nice to see groups of 1 - 2 inches at 50 yards. I am sure the gun should be able to do it but it will take some time for you to find the right ammo to use. You might want to try reloading for her but you need to be careful to make sure you use strong brass. It seems that all HK-91's and their clones are brutal on the brass used. That fluted chamber really likes to hang on to the brass and civilian type brass seems to cause case head separation and that it something you do not want.

It looks like you all had a good time wringing out the guns on hand and can't wait to see the additional pictures and movies.

Take care,
Tye
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Re: 9/23/2010 Shooting Trip - On Target at the Range!

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I was using military rounds at the range. They were European NATO rounds. The gun is extremely violent on brass. I have shot civilian cartridges in it without any more wear and tear on the brass compared to the NATO stuff I shot this day at the range.
My 50 yard group was not shot while taking my time either, it was bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Not rapid fire, but probably just around a second between shots. My plan is to master that damn drum sight! It will not defeat me!
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Re: 9/23/2010 Shooting Trip - On Target at the Range!

Tye G. Wolfe
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On Target LLC wrote
I was using military rounds at the range. They were European NATO rounds. The gun is extremely violent on brass. I have shot civilian cartridges in it without any more wear and tear on the brass compared to the NATO stuff I shot this day at the range.
My 50 yard group was not shot while taking my time either, it was bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Not rapid fire, but probably just around a second between shots. My plan is to master that damn drum sight! It will not defeat me!
John...

I have to agree that there should not be any greater wear on the brass in general but the NATO rounds are made with thicker walls and base to hinder the possibility of case head separation. You have to be careful in reloading military brass because of the decreased case capacity. Where there is a perfectly safe load in commercial brass you can obtain extremely high pressures using military brass. I would also hesitate reloading the brass fired in the fluted chambers. I remember a test done on them where after only 2 or 3 loadings they encountered case wall splitting and case head separation. Those fluted chambers really do a number to the brass fired in them.

It's great to know the FA-91 is working so well. I have read about problems encountered in the FA-91 and how bad they are. But then again there are just as many who say the FA-91 is a fantastic rifle and they have never had a problem. I guess when it comes down to a weapon that is designed after an original you will forever find those who think something other then the original is just a POS. But then again we know this to be nothing but a crock of crap!

You did one hell of a job on the FA-91 and I would put it up against any H&K 91 out there.

Nuf'Fo'Now
Tye
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I think the negative crap spewed about the FA-91 is due to either operator error or just general "not knowing crap about the gun"!
Plus, just gun snobbery running amuck as usual. "Well it didn't cost $5000 so therefore it must be junk!"

Gun bias prevents a lot of budget minded people from buying good performing guns that meet their budgets and they wind up spending more on a snob gun than what they really could afford to buy or operate and then have to take a loss when selling it.

I have had a lot of guns.... cheap and expensive in my hands and I'm honest about each and everyone of them.... there are pros and cons about every gun made and/or in existence. I have found some more affordable guns put out better than a drunk prom queen and I've seen some high end guns as quirky as a nerd without access to a computer on a two week camping trip. Guns......all guns, are mechanical devices designed and built by imperfect humans. They break, they jam...... sometimes a rough spot got missed at quitting time on Friday...... If guns never broke, got dirty or needed refinishing, I'd be out of a job. But right now I'm busy..... and guess what I'm busy doing.......... I'm working on broken guns, both cheap ones and expensive one, I am cleaning dirty guns, both affordable and top dollar, and I'm refinishing guns that have failed finishes or have rusted, both bottom of the barrel and high end!
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Re: 9/23/2010 Shooting Trip - On Target at the Range!

Tye G. Wolfe
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John...

I absolutely agree with you. That is one reason I own guns of some of the best quality and some that many just turn their noses up at. I see nothing wrong in owning my 2 Jennings .22 Lr, my Titan .25 and my Reck La Fury 8 in .25acp. Yes, many call them junk but they work just as good as my very high end weapons. They seem to be more than accurate at the range they are designed for and I have no complaints.

Sure I do see the benefit of owning a high end weapon and balance the scale with the guns I have made of Zamak. They all go bang when I pull the trigger. And they all are actually quite accurate. It's just great to know that I have had the chance to fall in with a couple groups that speak their minds but do it in an open manner. No matter how much you save, there are some who will just never be able to afford a high end weapon. and they should not be discriminated against by not allowing them the ability to purchase a less expensive firearm.

"Long Live The Mouse Gun... Long Live The Saturday Night Special"

Take care,
Tye
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Exactly Tye!

A true gun owner/shooter is going to have many types, calibers, and sizes of guns. If he or she shoots a friends J22 and likes it and its performance, they are going to most likely aquire one (or 2) regardless of how little it cost. Performance is performance. I happen to like underdogs. If I can outshoot Mr. Gun Snob and the rest of his ilk with my liitle Mouse Gun over his $1800 hot rod gun, then I am happier than a nazi at a book burning party. A good gun is a good gun no matter it's cost. With a mouse gun, I can brag about how simple it is to operate, how accurate it is and how much money I saved by purchasing it. That's bragging rights!
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Tye G. Wolfe
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On Target LLC wrote
Exactly Tye!

A true gun owner/shooter is going to have many types, calibers, and sizes of guns. If he or she shoots a friends J22 and likes it and its performance, they are going to most likely aquire one (or 2) regardless of how little it cost. Performance is performance. I happen to like underdogs. If I can outshoot Mr. Gun Snob and the rest of his ilk with my liitle Mouse Gun over his $1800 hot rod gun, then I am happier than a nazi at a book burning party. A good gun is a good gun no matter it's cost. With a mouse gun, I can brag about how simple it is to operate, how accurate it is and how much money I saved by purchasing it. That's bragging rights!
John...

You are absolutely correct! It's not just the overly expensive gun that has the ability to protect and entertain. When you are unable to purchase that fantastic tricked out Springfield Armory .45acp and need the ability to protect yourself you get what you can get. And if you do even the slightest amount of research regarding the less expensive firearms you will find that there are a number of very usable firearms to be purchased.

I have on so many occasions out shot my friends with there Browning's, High Standards, Ruger's and many other high end .22lr.'s it was getting almost boring. Now it could be that I have just enough gunsmithing experience to make my Jennings .22Lr shoot better than others, however I have talked to many others that tell me how accurate their Mouse Guns are. There are a number of inexpensive firearms available that have proven themselves many times over. I have been able to sway a few of my friends over to the dark side of Saturday Night Specials after they have seen how well my SNS's shoot and how well they are able to shoot my mouse guns. It's all good.

Nuf'Fo'Now
Tye
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Re: 9/23/2010 Shooting Trip - On Target at the Range!

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Last Friday my helper Jerry and I went on down to the outdoor range and we cut loose with some guns that had to be tested. I had an AR-15 come in with some cycling problems. The malfunctions were due to a loose gas key on the carrier so we pulled it apart, cleaned it, re-torqued with special sauce, and then put a double stake on each bolt that will take King Kong to undo. I brought a crap load of rounds to the range and we cut loose on a sacrificial target down range. I have some videos of it all and I'll get it up in the extras section soon (I hope). We also shot a double barrel .45 long colt crack barrel pistol that also shoots .410 shotgun shells and boy oh boy did the shot shells pack a punch.... we shot Winchester's Supreme Elite three slug, 12 pellet self defense rounds for the Taurus Judge. Plus we test shot an STI 2011 .45acp to make sure it functioned properly before tearing it down and have a baseline to compare to after cryo and coating work. All three were a blast and as usual, I had more fun shooting the AR but enjoyed them all.
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I've been going to the range a bit lately, but I did not take any pics. But I do have a lot of video to post. Please visit our facebook page and join up as a friend. I will add more facebook only videos there and will be uploading more in our EXTRAS section on our website. Check out the videos and you'll have a good idea of what we have been up to. Thanks!
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Re: 9/23/2010 Shooting Trip - On Target at the Range!

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keep rubbing it in sir.....just keep it up. i am so HOPING that next friday i can make some range time. although dana is asking for me to take her this weekend if i have the time. she has decided she wants to go shoot the new 1911....
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Re: 9/23/2010 Shooting Trip - On Target at the Range!

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This past Tuesday, I took Dr. Zeke down to the range to test out his new AR-15 that we customized for him. He brought a new Beta Mag that holds 100 rounds. We spent time getting his scope zeroed in and shooting for fun! The doctor also had some fun with my Colt AR-15 while shooting from the hip. You can check out videos that we have on facebook.... we have a link to our facebook page on our HOME page.
I shot some Wolf brand and Tulammo brand steel cased rounds in both rifles without any trouble. It did run dirty in the guns. I will occassionally shoot steel cased ammo but I try to keep the round count very low when I do.




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