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Monarch Ammunition

On Target LLC
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I purchased a large sum of Monarch ammunition for students to use in our classes. I picked it up because it was affordable, brass casings ammo. Affordable and reloadable..... how could you beat that? Well........ we had several calibers of it and let me tell ya'.... it shoots dirty. The residues left behind after firing are more plentiful than most other ammos out there. The guns are filthy after cycling this stuff. The semi-wad cutter FMJ's gave the most feeding and jamming problems, but the ball ammo in FMJ gave more frequent misfires and squibs. On the whole, the rounds fired through the gun, but had more quality issues than I'm used to seeing per box used. I used the hollow points only in a Bersa .380 Thunder and experienced less issues with them than the FMJ's. The 9mm rounds we used were the least problematic and the .38 Specials had the greatest fluctuations in performance. I don't know if anyone else has had this level of problems or issues with this ammo, but I'm aware of them now due to our heavy use of them in different types of rounds and calibers.
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Tye G. Wolfe
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John...

Thanks for the heads up regarding Monarch Ammo. I don't remember ever using that type of ammo but from what you went through I doubt I ever will use it. Cheap or not, re-loadable cases or not, I expect a certain reliability in the ammo I purchase and this is not it.

Thanks again.

Take care,
Tye
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I TOLD YOU JOHN, MONARCH IS CRAP AND I BOUGHT IT ONCE AND NEVER AGAIN.                 CANT BEAT AMERICAN AMMO.         [STEVEN]                                  
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I had some inconsistency issues with several boxes of what we shot, yes, but not every box was crap. This stuff can dirty up a gun in no time and whatever kind of cheap euorotrash gun powder they are using may be the cause of some of the problems. Dirty guns perform poorly and this stuff definately runs dirty. I just wanted to give people a heads up on Monarch before they buy too much of it.
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Tye G. Wolfe
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John...

When this thread started and as I read through it I started to remember that I had purchased some Monarch .38 Special 148 grain wadcutters some time ago. The only .38 Special I have is a Thompson Center Contender in .357 Magnum. In firing the Monarch ammo the first thing I realized was the difference in the recoil and report between rounds. Some were very muted in sound and others had a very distinct crack when fired. I don't have a chronograph but from just the report and felt recoil I could tell that there was a great degree of difference in power. The barrel is the 10 inch octagonal tapered barrel and has shown itself to be extremely accurate out to 100 yards even with .38 Special loads. Where the biggest difference was is in the targets fired. The Contender barrel has been proven to be very accurate and to my dismay I was shooting what would actually be called a pattern rather than a group and that was only out to 25 yards. I never did buy another box of that ammo and with what I am hearing now I never will buy any more.

There are certain times when you must take the extra step and spend a little extra and when it comes to ammunition this is more important then ever. I think I will stick with my Federal American Eagle for range ammo and Federals 9BPLE 9mm +P+ which is a designated Law Enforcement defense ammo. Both types have proven themselves in all my 9mm's to be 100% reliable to this date so there does not seem to be any reason to change. So for now I will stay away from the cheap stuff unless I am just shooting it to gather the brass to reload.

Nuf'Fo'Now
Tye
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Kevin D.
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Tye-that federal american eagle, is that the stuff you can buy at wal mart or academy? i stopped shooting that awhile back. i started noticing when shooting either 9mm or .40 cal for that matter that at about a 15ft distance, i had some "peppering" on my target. i had 1 single bullet hole, but then other different smaller holes all around the target. and it only happened with that particular ammo, i even switched guns and it still happened. so up until that garbage herter's i bought it had been all winchester white box for me.
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Re: Monarch Ammunition

Tye G. Wolfe
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Kevin D. wrote
Tye-that federal american eagle, is that the stuff you can buy at wal mart or academy? i stopped shooting that awhile back. i started noticing when shooting either 9mm or .40 cal for that matter that at about a 15ft distance, i had some "peppering" on my target. i had 1 single bullet hole, but then other different smaller holes all around the target. and it only happened with that particular ammo, i even switched guns and it still happened. so up until that garbage herter's i bought it had been all winchester white box for me.
Kevin...

I have never been able to find Federal American Eagle at Wally World. It has always been limited to the gun shops that I go to. And even then here lately it has been hard to find there. I have never heard of the situation that you are describing. It almost sounds as though the base of the bullet is breaking away having lead or copper fragments follow the bullet to the target. I have heard of this happening when the bullet was pushed to extreme velocities and pressures but not in a factory produced bullet. I will have to say that I guess it could happen but I myself have never seen it happen. I especially have never seen it happen with Federal factory ammo. My self defense (SD) ammo is a Federal Law Enforcment (LE) round that is rated +P+ and have never even seen it with that. And if it were to happen I would think it would happen with the additional pressure of the +P+ load. Again, I am not saying it could not happen, but I have just never seen it in all the time I have been shooting Federal ammunition. I have used Winchester White Box and have never been impressed with it. I have had failures to feed where I have never experianced it with the Federal loads. What I would really like to see are some of the targets that show the peppering around the bullet hole. It sounds like a very interesting issue that should be investagated further. Oh well, if you can fully remember the type of ammo you used I will see if I can get some and see if I experience the same condition.

Take care,
Tye
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Since I started this thread, I had one student bring a box of Monarch .380 ammo to class and I must say that it was the worst ammo of this brand used to date. almost every round jammed or spit. One round lodged in the barrel and we had to let him finish with my personal carry gun which was on my side. He did well with my .45 and some range ammo (CCI Blazer). The box looked in new shape and so did the rounds themselves. There was nothing outwardly that indicated they were defective or that they had gotten wet. It was just a box of crap rounds.
I grabbed a box of Monarch that I had left in my bag and tried them in my Bersa Thunder without a problem. each round fired as good as the one before it. Now that's what I call inconsistency in manufacturing.
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John@OT
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Today I took in a Rossi .357 Magnum that the customer was shooting  Monarch .357 hollow point rounds through it. The customer experienced some problems with the rounds, but on the last round he was able to fire,the firing pin broke i half. He brought the gun in to be checked out and be repaired. I told him that he was lucky that the failure was not worse than what it was. I'll take some pics of the gun and its condition and post them here! I'm disliking Monarch Ammo even more now.