Herter's Steel Cased Ammo

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Herter's Steel Cased Ammo

Kevin D.
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Bought a few boxes of this in 9mm and in .40 S&W from Cabela's a few weeks back. Finally got a little "me" time to hit the range. Shot the 9mm in my Beretta 92FS and it shot it well and had no problems whatsoever.

Then I loaded up a few mags of the .40, and it went downhill from there. Had numerous "FTE" and when i finally got them unjammed i noticed the spent casings were completely CRACKED all the way through!

I will not be using this garbage ever again and I would advise any and all who read this to not use it either.

Rant OFF!!!!
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I've got to be honest about steel cased ammo. Some people never have problems with it and some people have nightmare's with it. I have only shot WOLF brand and Brown/Silver Bear steel cased ammo and have never had a problem, but then again all I have ever shot them in were Russian and Russian designed guns that were made for the stuff. My AR-15 has never tasted the steel stuff and none of my pistols either. I have not tried the Herter's Ammo yet, and from what Kevin's expereince was, I think I'll avoid it altogether.
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Tye G. Wolfe
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John...

The only steel cased ammo I will ever use is the Wolf brands in my SKS. I have not only heard of to many horror stories but have also seen to may pictures. Stuck cases, broken extractors are the things I remember most. When you read in a number of owners manuals about them stating specifically not to use steel case ammo I think I will just play it safe and use brass cased ammo. For safety sake and less chance of weapon damage I will stay away from steel cases. I know that what I say here may be disputed by others that have never had a problem with steel cases but its just not worth the chance of damaging a gun.

Nuf'Fo'Now
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On Target LLC
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You are right Tye! It's not worth the worry to shoot steel cased ammo just because it is cheap. That applies mainly to firearms that were never designed to eat the stuff in the first place.
The most common complaint ever on the steel stuff is how the laquer coating melts off and forms a nasty gum in your firearm. The newer stuff, I've heard, doesn't have the old style laquer. But that does not mean I'm going to run out and buy some for my AR-15. The truth hurts and sometimes it can hurt your wallet..... that is why you should keep the money angle in perspective the next time someone is trying to seel you on the benefits of steel cased ammo (that is not intended for a gun not designed for it).
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Tye G. Wolfe
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John...

That is very much the problem. Some gun shops who have stocked up on steel cased ammo and retail stores like Walmart where I have had a friend buy steel cased ammo there is basically saying it is fine to shoot steel cased ammo in any gun. That is just not right. As you stated about the lacquer that is applied to the steel to allow the steel to properly cycle does build up in the chamber. Then when you do use the brass case the lacquer almost acts like a hot glue making the brass stick in the chamber causing case head separations. My Kel Tec manual for my P-32 specifically states to not use steel cases. I would take it that they have tried these cases and found them to cause problems. And I don't necessarily want to keep acetone around to wipe out the chambers after shooting. I will continue to buy the steel cased ammo for my SKS as it was designed specifically for that ammo type. Does it eat the steel cased ammo. Damn right. But before I shoot brass case ammo I use acetone to clean out the chamber and I mean really clean it out. You would be amazed at how much lacquer I get out of the chamber after a range session using Wolf brand ammo. Well enough about not using steel cased ammo but for this wolf (Tye G. that is) I will never use steel cased ammo in anything but the SKS.

Nuf'Fo'Now
Tye
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Kevin D.
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i'll be the first to admit i didnt know much about it. and hadnt never really heard anything about it. thought it was a good deal and exactly the opposite. i wont buy this garbage again and it aggrevates me that i almost ruined a perfectly good gun. and what continues to aggrevate me is that i still have 2 boxes of 9mm, and 2 boxes of .40 cal left and have no clue what im going to do with them.
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On Target LLC
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Donate any unwanted ammo to On Target for testing purposes. We like to accumulate test data to compare with our research and development. I can assure you that you are at the top of my list to receive a test batch or two.
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Tye G. Wolfe
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On Target LLC wrote
Donate any unwanted ammo to On Target for testing purposes. We like to accumulate test data to compare with our research and development. I can assure you that you are at the top of my list to receive a test batch or two.
It sounds like a good place to send unwanted or unusable ammo. As long as John is just as careful in the use of the ammo in question. I would not want to see a perfectly good weapon have additional problems by the use of steel cased ammo. As I have said, I am sure many have used steel cased ammo with no problem what so ever but after seeing and hearing about problems caused by steel cased ammo, I am one that will not use it.

Nuf'Fo'Now,
Tye
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Kevin D.
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well its been done, i donated 5 boxes of this to john on thursday. hopefully he uses it as an example to his future classes on what not to buy. i hate bad-mouthing anything, but i was quite pissed that it almost ruined a gun!
 ‎"its not the caliber, and its not the gun. its how well you perform, that completes the task at hand
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Tye G. Wolfe
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Kevin D. wrote
well its been done, i donated 5 boxes of this to john on thursday. hopefully he uses it as an example to his future classes on what not to buy. i hate bad-mouthing anything, but i was quite pissed that it almost ruined a gun!
Kevin...

I'm just gald to know it did not cause any extreme damage to your gun. And I am sure that John will make sure his students know of the possible problems in using steel cased ammo. Like I mentioned, there are some guns that were designed around the use of steel cased ammo. Like the SKS and the AK-47. These guns have fired steel cased ammo from the brgining. But in my AR-15 or my handguns, the better part of valor tells me not too. I am glad that others have had no problems. But this boy will just not use it.

Take care,
Tye
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Kevin gave me two boxes of .40 cal Herters with the XD V-10 I bought from him. Today, I went to the range to run a concealed carry class through qualifying and brought a box of the steel cased Herters along with a box of brass cased Federal FMJ's.
The first round shot was with the Federal ammo and all 50 rounds ran through the gun with no jams.
The second round was done with the steel cased Herters and all 50 ran without a single problem. I didn't notice much of a difference between the two brands of ammo didn't find the steel stuff to run dirtier than the Federal. All I found was that the soot left behind was a lighter color than that from the brass cased federal. That's it. The next time I shoot the gun, I will try to use the other box, that way I'll give it double the chance to prove itself. This is the first box of Herters I have ever ran in .40cal... or any other pistol type cartridge. I don't want to run too many steel casings through my new baby, but just once more can't hurt..... RIGHT???????????????? I ain't scared. I just hope it doesn't crack my firing pin in half like the Monarch ammo did one of my customers recently.
We will keep everyone posted.
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John@OT
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Kevin gave me two boxes of .40 cal Herters with the XD V-10 I bought from him. Today, I went to the range to run a concealed carry class through qualifying and brought a box of the steel cased Herters along with a box of brass cased Federal FMJ's.
The first round shot was with the Federal ammo and all 50 rounds ran through the gun with no jams.
The second round was done with the steel cased Herters and all 50 ran without a single problem. I didn't notice much of a difference between the two brands of ammo didn't find the steel stuff to run dirtier than the Federal. All I found was that the soot left behind was a lighter color than that from the brass cased federal. That's it. The next time I shoot the gun, I will try to use the other box, that way I'll give it double the chance to prove itself. This is the first box of Herters I have ever ran in .40cal... or any other pistol type cartridge. I don't want to run too many steel casings through my new baby, but just once more can't hurt..... RIGHT???????????????? I ain't scared. I just hope it doesn't crack my firing pin in half like the Monarch ammo did one of my customers recently.
We will keep everyone posted.
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John@OT
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Today I ran to the outdoor range for some testing.... and fun. I ran two full boxes of Herter's steel cased 9mm FMJ through  a Glock model 19 without any problems or failures. I don't usually run steel cased ammo through my guns, but Kevin David laid a few boxes in my hands for testing and whatever esle. I haven't had an issue yet, but I know he had some bad rounds in a few boxes. I'm still gonna have to rank the Herter's as a better round than the Monarch stuff.
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Kevin D.
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yea i didnt have any problems out of the 9mm, it was mainly the. i cant believe you didnt have any problems at all though, i just know i wont buy it again. hopefully once we get a place i'll get into reloading my own stuff.
 ‎"its not the caliber, and its not the gun. its how well you perform, that completes the task at hand