Business Owner Shoots Armed Robber and is Arrested for MURDER

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Business Owner Shoots Armed Robber and is Arrested for MURDER

John@OT
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This is a story about a pharmacist who shot one of the two armed thugs that attempted to rob his store. He was recently convicted of the murder of the suspect he shot. Please remember that with the way our country is headed, no innocent, law abiding citizen is safe from a prosecuter. We must always be careful not only with a gun or in a self-defense situation, but also we must be careful with how we do these things in regards to the legal aspect. I believe that what happened to this man is a shame and the prosecuter should be removed from office. Read the entire story and make note what the gentleman's attorney states at the end. If you can't afford to have an attorney on retainer for the possibility that you do have a self defense shooting, please at least have the phone number of one who does listed for your spouse or loved ones to contact in the event that you are arrested for shooting a scumbag in self-defense. Now we do teach in our classes that when the assailant is down and not moving in a threatening manner that you are not supposed to shoot them again as this would be considered excessive. But as I said, listen to what his attorney adds about the second time the pharmacist fires.

Here's the story:

The case of a white Oklahoma merchant recently convicted of killing an armed black teenager attempting to rob his store has sparked a national debate.

To critics, 59-year-old pharmacist Jerome Ersland is a gun-toting vigilante who dealt out his own brand of murderous justice. To admirers, Ersland is a courageous and law-abiding hero whose actions were justified. The controversial case became even more volatile Thursday when a jury found Ersland guilty of first-degree murder for the 2009 slaying of 16-year-old Antwun Parker.

Since last week's verdict, supporters of Ersland have collected nearly 10,000 signatures on a petition calling for his release. Oklahoma State Sen. Ralph Shortey (R) also pledged his assistance.

"I’m gonna spend the rest of my career, however long it may be, trying to right this wrong," Shortey told ABC News.

The division is also evident online, within several social media websites. One group in support of Ersland recently popped up on Facebook. Titled "Jerome Ersland should not have been found guilty," the group has more than 3,000 members. Groups against Ersland’s release, such as the Facebook group "Do Not Free Jerome Ersland," (these freaking pro-criminal liberal morons should have been on the other end of Antwun Parker's gun... I wonder if they would feel the same then - "this is my quote on this detail and not a part of the original story") are also starting to gain momentum, The Daily Mail reported.

The controversy in the case stems from a May 19, 2009, incident in which Parker and another young man burst into Reliable Discount Pharmacy in Oklahoma City. The men, armed and wearing ski masks, allegedly ordered two female employees working behind the counter to give them money and drugs. Instead, the two women ran to the back of the store.

The men then allegedly pointed their guns at Ersland. The pharmacist drew his own weapon, a small semiautomatic handgun he had in his pocket, and fired at Parker, striking the youth in the head. Surveillance video from inside the store captured Parker’s fall to the ground as Ersland chased his accomplice from the store. When Ersland stepped back inside the store, he retrieved a Kel-Tec .380 from a nearby drawer and shot Parker five more times. The shooting occurred off camera, so Parker’s posture at the time remains unclear.

"I feel that [people have] a right to defend themselves at their home or at their work. People deserve to be safe and not be afraid of people [who] want to take money when they don’t work for it," Ersland said in a May 22, 2009, interview with The Oklahoman.

"That’s what the Second Amendment and the state’s concealed carry license are for," he continued.

During Ersland’s trial, his lawyer, Irven Box, claimed the shooting was self-defense. He said Parker was still moving and was still a threat.

"He eliminated the armed robber," Box said in court..

Prosecutors, however, argued that Ersland acted beyond the limits of self-defense.

"This defendant was absolutely not defending himself or anyone else," Assistant District Attorney Jennifer Chance told the jury.

The jury deliberated for more than four hours before it found Ersland guilty and recommended a sentence of life in prison for the former Air Force lieutenant colonel.

Ersland is scheduled for formal sentencing on July 11. If the judge follows the jury's recommendation, he will not be eligible for parole until he serves at least 38 years behind bars.

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Murder, how was this premeditated? This jury might as well tell all of the criminals out there, "Go ahead commit violent crimes and we will defend you in court" what kind of people were on this jury and what kind of prosecutor would do this? Are these people completely incapable of understanding the possible outcome if things had gone the other way? Oklahoma what is wrong with you, I would have expected this in California or New England.
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John@OT
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Absolutely right Dave! California, New York, New Jersey.... but Oklahoma??? This goes to show you that even in a super pro-gun state that anti gun, criminal coddlers can work thier way into government roles and dispense their socialist/nazi style of tyranny.
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Zeke
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Gotta Reply.  I am all for self defense, especially in small business owners who are a constant target.  I don't believe a man, regardless of race (I am Black) should be convicted of self defense.  My only question is this:  Is shooting a downed man FIVE times self defense.   I clearly remember being taught (Thanks John) that a killing has to be justified.  One shot to the head may not be fatal and it is possible the gunthug (let's not call him a man) may have still been moving.  Five additional shots without being fired upon seems excessive.  I am not Judge nor Jury, so I can't agree or disagree with the verdict.  It seems to me though that frustration got the better of Mr. Ersland.  The real negative is that RACE was factored into the story.  As a Black man, I KNOW there are some other races that would shoot me six times out of presumption, but that being said, this
Black man would never try to rob anyone.  The armed thug deserved to get shot and if he died, so be it.  One less thug to worry about.  But I don't believe you John would shoot a man down five more times (your first shot would be so good it would be fatal!)  Tough story.
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John@OT
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Thanks for the vote of confidence on my shooting skills Zeke, but you are a good shot yourself. It is sad that RACE had to be factored into this tragedy. It is the way those on the outside try to view an event without knowing or wanting to know the facts related to said event.
I would like to think that my training and knowledge would have prevailed in such a situation and stuck to the law. I would have popped as many shots off until he dropped.... two or three most likely, and then I would have covered his prone body while I surveyed my surroundings. Once the attacker (or thug as Zeke refers to them) is on the ground and no longer considered a threat (not reaching for a weapon for example) you must not shoot again unless he resumes the threat.
It is possible that the thug did try to re-engage, but I feel in this case (just my opinion) it was anger or frustration (or fear) that caused the extra shots while the attacker was down. I do not think race even played a part in this incident.
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Eddie
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4JYN9While i don't believe he should be in jail, he should have been happy with the head shot.  If it didn't kill him too bad, better luck next time.
Now if he made any threatening moves after he was down the next shot would be the end of it.  Really 5 more shots he was looking for trouble.
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BaiYuChin
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I hate to say this, I feel the jury ruled right based on our flawed self defense laws.  The laws are so vague when it comes to self defense.  "At what point does self defense become assault?", is what the jury had to determine for Ersland.  According to the law, once the attacker is "detained", the situation is diffused.  Race is always the issue and is an easy card to play, much like a wild joker.  

Mr. Ersland must now pay a way to strict and over zealous price for protecting his employees and store.


True Self Defense is when the victim can be at peace after standing his/her ground.  True peace is achieved through crushing your enemies and seeing them driven before you.

My true feelings are that self defense laws do not protect the honest citizen.  So we live another day to be ridiculed by the press and limo-liberals/conservatives and fight a system against us.  The only people protected are the powerful and the powerfully rich.  Criminals and thugs get off because it cost too much money and effort to truly convict.  So therefore, the honest taxpaying citizen suffers emotionally and financially.  The thug or his thug family can turn around and sue the protector for excessive force and assault.  Our justice system is severely flawed.  Civility accomplishes nothing, barbarism creates civility.  A polite society is a well armed society.